IRC log of dig on 2008-02-11
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- 12:51:02 [kubrick.freenode.net]
- topic is: DIG Weekly 2:30pET 4 Feb
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- Users on #dig: DIGlogger RalphS harveyj_ timbl lkagal sandro dan-uk
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- 14:53:09 [timbl]
- calls now
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- tim? stuart is on the phone for you
- 15:05:17 [amy]
- ah, ok, you've got each other
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- 17:51:08 [sandro]
- DIG meeting today?
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- I need to know now, so I can reschedule something that was at four so I can go to see Van Jacobson.
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- i think there is a meeting, Sandro
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- from what I understand, Tim is coming in just to attend it
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- Damn shame they can't find a chair.
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- 18:32:17 [amy]
- agenda: 2 minutes around the table and if nothing else, tabulator priorities including tabulator priorities for TAMI
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- tim called in and I asked re: agenda
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- 18:52:28 [RalphS]
- sounds like a resort to default agenda
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- 19:34:49 [RalphS]
- zakim, this is dig
- 19:34:50 [Zakim]
- sorry, RalphS, I do not see a conference named 'dig' in progress or scheduled at this time
- 19:34:57 [RalphS]
- Meeting: DIG
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- 19:36:35 [sandro]
- ping
- 19:36:36 [timbl]
- DIGLogger, pointer?
- 19:36:36 [timbl]
- See http://dig.csail.mit.edu/irc/dig/2008-02-11#T19-36-36
- 19:36:39 [sandro]
- scribenick: sandro
- 19:36:44 [roberth]
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- 19:37:00 [RalphS]
- -> https://lists.csail.mit.edu/mailman/private/diggers/2008-February/001441.html previous 2008-02-04
- 19:37:32 [yosi_s]
- Zakim, who is on the call?
- 19:37:32 [Zakim]
- sorry, yosi_s, I don't know what conference this is
- 19:37:33 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see roberth, yosi_s, lkagal, Zakim, jar___, timbl, oshani, amy, yosi_desk, DIGlogger, RalphS, harveyj_, sandro, dan-uk
- 19:37:47 [RalphS]
- zakim, this is dig
- 19:37:47 [Zakim]
- ok, RalphS; that matches DIG_weekly()2:30PM
- 19:37:52 [Zakim]
- +TimBL
- 19:38:08 [RalphS]
- zakim, TimBL has Tim, Lalana, Yosi, Ralph, Sandro, Oshani, Robert
- 19:38:08 [Zakim]
- +Tim, Lalana, Yosi, Ralph, Sandro, Oshani, Robert; got it
- 19:38:12 [sandro]
- Tim: Kenny has put the option of WebDav editing, along with SPARQL update, into Tabulator.
- 19:38:45 [sandro]
- Tim: So update-statement, delete-statement, etc, will work with SPARQL-Update, or serialize back to the server. Not well tested yet.
- 19:38:47 [RalphS]
- Agenda: https://lists.csail.mit.edu/mailman/private/diggers/2008-February/001440.html
- 19:39:26 [sandro]
- Tim: So we're getting closer to people being able to author their foaf in Tabulator. That was the main event of the weekend.
- 19:39:46 [sandro]
- Tim: Plus the big design for Tabulator on the whiteboard.
- 19:40:17 [sandro]
- Robert: I'm finisihing a paper I should have finished two years ago. :-) Unfortunately it's not on wikigenes.
- 19:41:25 [oshani]
- http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2005/ajar/ajaw/Developer.html#addPane
- 19:41:46 [timbl]
- Oshani: Kenny and I refactored outline.js so you can now create new panes
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- Refactored outline.js
- 19:41:51 [timbl]
- in a modular way
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- By adding files in the panes directory
- 19:42:18 [RalphS]
- -> http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2005/ajar/ajaw/Developer.html#addPane how to add a pane to Tabulator
- 19:42:33 [RalphS]
- (Oshani announced this to https://lists.csail.mit.edu/mailman/private/tami-team/2008-February/000921.html )
- 19:43:04 [sandro]
- oshani: I found a bug in tabulator, where it shows RDF when it shouldn't
- 19:43:17 [sandro]
- tim: Philosophical discussion about the right thing to do here.
- 19:43:33 [sandro]
- tim: crashes are not so good.
- 19:43:50 [sandro]
- Tim: Two issues lists these days.
- 19:44:25 [timbl]
- http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2007/wiki/tabulator#project
- 19:44:53 [sandro]
- http://dig.csail.mit.edu/issues/tabulator/
- 19:45:12 [sandro]
- Tim: you can use the tabulator itself to add to the 2007 one.
- 19:45:28 [sandro]
- Tim: It may be too experimental to be the only one.
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- RalphS: It would be nice to link to both of them, so people can find what bugs are reported.
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- (the other one is a RoungUp page)
- 19:46:56 [timbl]
- Sandro:
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- Two main colol things are -
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- - Find time to do a bit more on expressing RDF in HTML tables, with working tables,
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- with working demo written in Puython.
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- No meeting next week, but maybe demo in 2 weeks.
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- - XML Transfeorm As needed (XTAN)
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- is soemhting where you write application against an XML schema
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- and then anything else you need is generated.
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- It uses XSLT
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- It finds a path of min cost
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- through whatever.
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- Transfroms can be lossy
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- RIF wnt it for all the rule languages
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- Tis is in a way what RDF was supposed to be.
- 19:50:54 [RalphS]
- Ralph: no significant DIG work last week
- 19:51:19 [sandro]
- Yosi: I handled a bug, where cwm 1.2 tarball was not installable. Fixed.
- 19:51:31 [sandro]
- Yosi: Not getting along very well with writing.
- 19:51:55 [sandro]
- Tim: What can we do to help you get something written.
- 19:52:11 [sandro]
- Yosi: TAMI F2F tomorrow. I need to be preparing for that.
- 19:53:07 [RalphS]
- -> https://lists.csail.mit.edu/mailman/private/tami-team/2008-February/000924.html Yosi adds a TREAT reasoner to cwm
- 19:53:17 [sandro]
- Yosi: Lalana was asking if we could run cwm builtins in TAMI reasoner.... answer, no. Because of rete.
- 19:53:25 [sandro]
- Tim: Didn't pychinko do it?
- 19:53:39 [sandro]
- Yosi: Well, I don't know which builtins they got working.
- 19:53:57 [sandro]
- Yosi: functional or inverse-function
- 19:54:09 [sandro]
- Lalana: PAW has log:includes and such. I think.
- 19:54:59 [sandro]
- Yosi: Filters are okay at the end. It's owl:sameAs.
- 19:55:17 [RalphS]
- Sandro: owl:sameAs is logic, shouldn't be a "builtin"
- 19:56:09 [RalphS]
- ... math:sum is defined logically, not operationally
- 19:57:15 [RalphS]
- Yosi: cwm built-ins don't work well with RETE
- 19:58:23 [sandro]
- Sandro: RIF is hammering out builtins. Is there any problem with XPath2.0-style simple programming functions plus Rete?
- 19:58:25 [sandro]
- Yosi: No.
- 19:58:42 [sandro]
- Yosi: I was able to implement TREAT in 150 lines of code, sharing code with RETE.
- 19:58:55 [sandro]
- Tim: Is there something you can writeup there?
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- scribenick: ralphs
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- Lalana: who's interested in helping with an ISWC tutorial submission?
- 20:00:29 [RalphS]
- ... ISWC is in Germany
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- -> http://iswc2008.semanticweb.org/ ISWC2008
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- [adjourned]
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- DIG_weekly()2:30PM has ended
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- Attendees were Tim, Lalana, Yosi, Ralph, Sandro, Oshani, Robert
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- zakim, bye
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