IRC log of dig on 2008-04-07

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topic is: DIG meeting cancelled 31 March 2008
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Users on #dig: DIGlogger RalphS funky ericP daniel-soton harveyj sandro
12:00:30 [lkagal]
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13:35:01 [lkagal]
ericP, do you have some time to talk about the sparql+n3 tutorial
13:37:36 [ericP]
let me check the status of a publication
13:37:54 [ericP]
meetings today from 10-12
13:39:02 [achmed]
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13:50:57 [lkagal]
eric, how about 12:05 ?
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14:01:11 [ericP]
lkagal, is that precise enough? how about 12:02:30?
14:01:30 [lkagal]
That works too ;)
14:01:44 [ericP]
actually, this meeting frequently runs over -- i don't want to promise anything before 12:20
14:01:57 [ericP]
find you in your office?
14:05:03 [timbl]
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14:06:09 [lkagal]
Ok, see you then...
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ericP ?
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17:18:36 [DanC]
timbl, wanna play with this calendar data a little? it involves some ssh tunnel fiddling.
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17:31:37 [timbl]
hmmm
17:31:54 [timbl]
What is the story?
17:31:59 [timbl]
Where does it comes from
17:32:08 [DanC]
it comes from my PDA/cellphone
17:32:22 [timbl]
through what sequence of steps?
17:33:09 [DanC]
I think that's not really relevant, but I wrote it up for chime: http://dig.csail.mit.edu/breadcrumbs/node/229
17:33:28 [DanC]
basically, my cellphone service provider provides XMLRPC access to the data, so I slurp it up
17:33:29 [amy]
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17:34:07 [DanC]
and I make it available using a little custom python web server
17:34:16 [DanC]
I just added an RDF export view
17:34:27 [DanC]
... for the event data
17:35:00 [DanC]
I connected the http server running here to a port on homer using an ssh tunnel
17:35:25 [DanC]
if you can make another ssh tunnel from your machine to homer.w3.org:8765 , then you can play with it
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17:38:26 [timbl]
You mean it willonly servcie local requests?
17:38:46 [DanC]
yes (by policy)
17:38:52 [DanC]
i.e. these data are sensitive
17:39:04 [timbl]
yes.
17:39:34 [DanC]
homer doesn't accept connections to 8765 from just anywhere. and the http server here on my box is behind a NAT firewall
17:41:02 [timbl]
So if I have done ssh -2 -L 8765:localhost:8765 -l timbl homer.w3.org then what i sthe URI I point firefox at?
17:41:48 [DanC]
http://0.0.0.0/8765/pim/majo
17:42:08 [DanC]
or just http://0.0.0.0/8765/ and see if you get a friendly 404 msg
17:42:37 [timbl]
s//8/:8/
17:42:52 [DanC]
ok, to get RDF, go to ...
17:42:57 [timbl]
* event: 884 records
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categories
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* contact: 433 records
17:42:57 [timbl]
categories
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* task: 16 records
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categories
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* note: 50 records
17:43:01 [timbl]
categories
17:43:13 [DanC]
follow the categories link under event
17:43:22 [DanC]
then pick "rdf export" under, for example, "travel"
17:44:09 [DanC]
DanC has changed the topic to: DIG meets mondays, including 7 Apr
17:44:34 [timbl]
Ok, I have RDF from http://0.0.0.0:8765/pim/majo/event/cat_data/travel
17:45:23 [timbl]
If I look at Evnts (the class, members of it)
17:45:48 [DanC]
the icon for the outline view is a table; I find that rather odd
17:46:22 [timbl]
then I see various events, and if I open one and look at description, summry, start, end
17:46:34 [timbl]
and I click 'find all' i get a timeline
17:46:41 [DanC]
if you find all start, summary, you get a timeline. right.
17:46:52 [DanC]
how can you select just events from 7-11 March?
17:46:56 [timbl]
between 2006 fall and summer 2008
17:47:21 [DanC]
(and how did you focus on the Event class? I thought it was double-click)
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17:48:19 [DanC]
also, { summary subPropertyOf rdfs:label } is in the ical schema, but the tabulator isn't using the event summaries as labels in the outline view
17:48:27 [timbl]
And with the data browser sidebar i can swcth to calendar view
17:49:00 [timbl]
the summary lines for te calendar events need a little cleaning up, as does the CSS, in calendar view
17:49:08 [timbl]
Wonder whetyher that is from Yahoo
17:49:39 [timbl]
Not using labels? Hmmmph
17:49:46 [timbl]
It should!
17:49:48 [DanC]
is it using labels on your end?
17:50:10 [timbl]
yes
17:50:38 [timbl]
Im using a fairly recent SVN checkout
17:52:08 [DanC]
URL: svn+ssh://svn.csail.mit.edu/afs/csail.mit.edu/group/dig/REPOS/2005/ajar
17:52:15 [DanC]
^ is that where the current code lives?
17:53:03 [DanC]
try `svn info` ?
17:53:24 [timbl]
svn+ssh://svn.csail.mit.edu/afs/csail.mit.edu/group/dig/REPOS/2005/ajar/ajaw/js
17:55:34 [timbl]
???:format
17:58:05 [DanC]
before update:
17:58:08 [DanC]
Last Changed Rev: 3687
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Last Changed Date: 2007-08-06 14:33:07 -0500 (Mon, 06 Aug 2007)
17:58:52 [DanC]
after update:
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Last Changed Rev: 16095
17:58:53 [DanC]
Last Changed Date: 2008-03-03 12:43:27 -0600 (Mon, 03 Mar 2008)
17:59:06 [DanC]
meanwhile:
17:59:07 [DanC]
Fetching external item into 'release/tabulator/0.7/test/jsunit'
17:59:07 [DanC]
svn: Working copy 'release/tabulator/0.7/test/jsunit' locked
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svn: run 'svn cleanup' to remove locks (type 'svn help cleanup' for details)
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$ svn up
17:59:59 [DanC]
At revision 18787.
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U outline.js
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U panes/LawPane.js
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U panes/airPane.js
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2007/tab
18:02:22 [DanC]
trying svn checkout svn+ssh://svn.csail.mit.edu/afs/csail.mit.edu/group/dig/REPOS/2007/tab
18:02:25 [timbl]
URL: svn+ssh://svn.csail.mit.edu/afs/csail.mit.edu/group/dig/REPOS/2007/tab
18:02:25 [timbl]
Repository Root: svn+ssh://svn.csail.mit.edu/afs/csail.mit.edu/group/dig/REPOS
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Repository UUID: ee5100c3-270b-0410-b6b6-ca9d7ce675ca
18:02:26 [timbl]
Revision: 17529
18:02:51 [DanC]
Error validating server certificate for 'https://svn.csail.mit.edu:443' ...
18:03:28 [DanC]
now it asks for a password for connolly in <https://svn.csail.mit.edu:443>
18:04:20 [timbl]
"SWC 2006 trip dtstart dtend"
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"SWC 2006 trip (start)"
18:05:43 [timbl]
http://dig.csail.mit.edu/issues/tabulator/issue?%40search_text=&title=&%40columns=title&%40sort=title&topic=&%40columns=topic&id=&%40columns=id&creation=&creator=&activity=&%40columns=activity&actor=&priority=4&status=-1%2C1%2C2%2C3%2C4%2C5%2C6%2C7&%40columns=status&%40group=status&assignedto=&%40columns=assignedto&%40pagesize=500&%40startwith=0&%40queryname=Features&%40old-queryname=Features&%40action=search
18:06:15 [DanC]
Fetching external item into 'tab/ext/chrome/content/js'
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svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/dig/2005/ajar/ajaw/js'
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connolly@pav:~/projects/tabulator/tab/ext/chrome/content$ ln -s ../../../../ajar/ajaw/js
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Fetching external item into 'ext/chrome/content/js'
18:08:35 [timbl]
Fetching external item into 'ext/chrome/content/icons'
18:08:35 [timbl]
Updated external to revision 18787.
18:08:51 [DanC]
connolly@pav:~/projects/tabulator/tab/ext/chrome/content$ ln -s ../../../../ajar/ajaw/icons/
18:11:07 [timbl]
That file should be in the extensions directoruy and contain one line /...projects/tabulator/tab/ext
18:11:13 [DanC]
connolly@pav:~/projects/tabulator/tab/ext$ pwd
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/home/connolly/projects/tabulator/tab/ext
18:11:27 [timbl]
the latter i guess
18:11:32 [timbl]
quite ffox
18:11:51 [timbl]
if in douubt, erase two cache fies in eth eextensions directory
18:12:55 [timbl]
Try: http://0.0.0.0:8765/pim/majo/event/cat_data/travel
18:13:00 [DanC]
whee! labels and everything
18:17:49 [timbl]
MS-Auth-Via: DAV
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MS-Auth-Via: SPARQL
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18:23:32 [DanC]
hmm... Location: Vancouver
18:23:44 [DanC]
bummer that's just a string and not something with lat/long
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18:27:20 [timbl_]
Yes, tab tabultor has no address string -> lat/log function
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Meeting in two minutes
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18:29:10 [RalphS]
zakim, this is dig
18:29:10 [Zakim]
ok, RalphS; that matches DIG_weekly()2:30PM
18:29:17 [RalphS]
zakim, who's on the call?
18:29:17 [Zakim]
On the phone I see MIT531
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18:32:03 [timbl_]
DanC?
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Will you be joining us on the pridge?
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bridge
18:32:22 [kennyluck]
timbl, tabulator URI http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2007/wiki/tabulator#project for issues.
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+Sandro
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-MIT531
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+MIT531
18:34:18 [funky]
this is full of people from mit
18:34:36 [funky]
I think I'm the only one who is not from there
18:34:47 [sandro]
funky, this is a meeting of an MIT research group.
18:34:51 [kennyluck]
Ha?
18:35:00 [funky]
ah, ok, good to know
18:35:31 [sandro]
funky - specifically, http://dig.csail.mit.edu/
18:35:45 [DanC]
hmm... I was planning to eat lunch and then join the meeting, but I haven't managed to eat lunch
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18:36:08 [DanC]
DanC has changed the topic to: DIG meets Mondays, including 7 Apr http://dig.csail.mit.edu/
18:36:10 [funky]
sandro: looks good, I wish I could be there
18:37:37 [funky]
but, this is a ISC dig "support" channel too, isn't it?
18:38:06 [sandro]
Nope. Different "dig".
18:38:34 [funky]
I see, only semantic web browsing stuff in the web
18:38:42 [sandro]
right.
18:38:47 [funky]
but I'm sure I've seen people talking about isc dig in here
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I guess, misconfused people as me
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confused*
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------------------
18:40:22 [funky]
so, no reason for me to be here, nice to meet you guys
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agenda+ Autodiscovery
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+DanC
18:49:02 [timbl_]
Lalana: I was at Owed,
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Yosi: I was writing my thesis
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Lana: plan to get Ian Jacobi for some days
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s/ana/alana
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resiolved: Imnviet him for 2-3 days within 5-9 may
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agenda+ Parsing random XML as RDF
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PRs?
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TRs
18:56:52 [kennyluck]
huh? random XML2RDF?
18:58:42 [DanC]
(I'm confused; at first I heard sandro say he's hand-eding an RDF/XML file; then he says it lives in mediawiki. hmm.)
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18:59:38 [timbl_]
Sandro: revisting test vases after 4 years, looking at what otehrs have done wiht test casees.
18:59:57 [timbl_]
Tim: How about using tabuklator ediitpr frthat
19:00:06 [DanC]
(test case data is on my todo list this week too; more for HTML and RDFa, and more on test result reporting)
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Sandro: Some pretty interestng things happening wit OWL now.
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... Profiles for example, like levels of OWL2
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... Some like OWL full, for rule engibes not tabluae stype reasoners
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DanC:
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(leaving now, got to catch a flight to Chicago)
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19:02:23 [timbl_]
kenny, could you look up the URI of the editable tabulator bugs?
19:02:48 [kennyluck]
kennyluck: timbl, tabulator URI http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2007/wiki/tabulator#project for issues.
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__________________
19:04:45 [DanC]
{tabr broken_uri Ivan_Herman }
19:06:00 [kennyluck]
That is for you to report a broken page(URI) quickly.
19:06:05 [timbl_]
http://dig.csail.mit.edu/issues/tabulator/issue?%40search_text=&title=&%40columns=title&%40sort=title&topic=&%40columns=topic&id=&%40columns=id&creation=&creator=&activity=&%40columns=activity&actor=&priority=4&status=-1%2C1%2C2%2C3%2C4%2C5%2C6%2C7&%40columns=status&%40group=status&assignedto=&%40columns=assignedto&%40pagesize=500&%40startwith=0&%40queryname=Features&%40old-queryname=Features&%40action=search
19:09:12 [yosi_s]
timbl: Oshani using [Tabulator] for DTO
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... Joe for storing things
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... Kenny for misc things
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... can concentrate on solidifying it
19:10:05 [kennyluck]
Joe for sending notification to other services when the store changes?
19:10:07 [yosi_s]
... I [timbl] worked last on FOAF support, which I think is useful
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Ralph: Building a tab is still a Javascript job
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timbl: We don't know yet a better language for specifying them
19:12:07 [kennyluck]
well..I would say 1/3 of Firefox is written in JavaScript so this is natural
19:12:36 [yosi_s]
timbl: Probably it should be a form language based on html
19:13:01 [timbl_]
http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2007/Papers/Tabulator-WWW2007/p1.png
19:13:42 [yosi_s]
sandro: This reminded me about the applicability of OWL for designing forms
19:14:05 [yosi_s]
... Galen? used DL for supporting the user in adding data to a form
19:14:32 [DanC]
(I got the tabulator running out of svn today, fyi)
19:14:52 [yosi_s]
why had it not been working?
19:15:09 [DanC]
(somehow yosi and I couldn't get it going on my mac laptop a few weeks ago, but timbl and I got it running on my linux box today)
19:15:52 [yosi_s]
oh... so you got it working on a different box
19:16:21 [timbl_]
http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2007/tab/
19:20:32 [yosi_s]
timbl: using owl reasoning to restrict things may be useful
19:20:50 [yosi_s]
... except that ontologies often don't restrict the domain and range enough
19:21:10 [EDman]
excuse me, does anybody know when LHC is going to be launched?
19:21:17 [kennyluck]
...
19:21:40 [timbl_]
You mean the Large Hadron Collider?
19:21:46 [EDman]
yes
19:21:55 [timbl_]
Just a second ...
19:22:00 [timbl_]
launched
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JK
19:22:37 [timbl_]
I think you need a CERN IRC channel or a MIT Phsics channel
19:23:06 [EDman]
thank you very much
19:23:37 [yosi_s]
... reasoning limited by needing to be fast enough to drive the UI
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DanC: so, to summarize ... ?
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kennyluck: We didn't sell ourselves to potential UROPs very well
19:33:25 [yosi_s]
... should raid the Simile people
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timbl: We know some, though not all, of who will be working
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-MIT531
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-Sandro
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-DanC
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DIG_weekly()2:30PM has ended
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Attendees were MIT531, Sandro, DanC
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hmm... the URL bar seems to not update correctly since I installed the tabulator
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and my back button is hosed
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