IRC log of dig on 2010-08-06

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00:09:09 [timbl]
http://dig.csail.mit.edu/issues/tabulator/ -> Thu Aug 5 19:56:39 2010: An error occurred. Please check the server log for more infomation.
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00:36:09 [presbrey]
ericP, how do I get an RdfDb to serialize to turtle?
00:36:45 [presbrey]
I also suppose I need to know how to read it to a DB/Factory as well
00:37:10 [presbrey]
I see TurtleSDriver.parse(file().read(), STRING) might work
00:46:46 [timbl]
The roundup data seems to be in /afs/csail.mit.edu/group/dig/www/share/roundup/trackers/dig/files/file/0 butnot obvious where the logs are
00:47:13 [timbl]
Where are the httpd server logs for the dig.csail.mit.edu:80 I wonder
00:48:00 [presbrey]
/var/log/httpd/error.log
00:51:24 [timbl]
hm thought i looked there
00:52:00 [timbl]
... /var/log/httpd: No such file or directory
01:04:32 [kennyluck]
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01:04:52 [timbl]
http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2010/issues/track.n3
01:05:04 [timbl]
schema for the tabulator tracker in N3
01:05:17 [timbl]
as I remember the settings inroundup
01:07:17 [timbl]
Hi kenny
01:07:59 [timbl]
Joe is recoding the server to work with SWOBJECTS instead of Algae and they have taken own the proof stuff you put in . Hope that's Ok
01:08:25 [kennyluck]
hey timbl. I gotto go in a minute. I'll contact you later.
01:08:29 [kennyluck]
Sure. I am fine.
01:08:41 [kennyluck]
SWOBJECTS sounds more active than Algae.
01:08:56 [timbl]
yes.
01:30:39 [presbrey]
gah I can't figure out how to have swobjects serialize valid turtle!
01:31:42 [presbrey]
ericP, http://presbrey.pastebin.com/RPbXY2s4 help please
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02:10:31 [presbrey]
found it
02:22:46 [timbl]
how to serialize turtle
02:23:00 [timbl]
o you have Eric's mobile#?
02:23:06 [presbrey]
I got it serialized in turtle now
02:23:11 [timbl]
for things like that :)
02:23:23 [presbrey]
http://dig.xvm.mit.edu/wiki/people/JoeLambda.ttl
02:23:26 [timbl]
Ok, so you can read and write it in turtle
02:23:41 [timbl]
Can we read the existing data in RDF/xml
02:24:03 [timbl]
What do you htink about adding a .n3 to each filename?
02:24:06 [presbrey]
not doing any content negotiation
02:24:08 [timbl]
for the n3 code
02:24:18 [presbrey]
I thought you were saying turtle, not n3
02:24:27 [presbrey]
because n3 parser has a reduction error
02:24:52 [timbl]
I was suggesting turtle but even when turtle I store it as .n3 file
02:25:07 [presbrey]
ok .n3 it is then
02:25:17 [presbrey]
I'm going to start committing what I have in /2010/
02:25:29 [presbrey]
/2010/wiki/ and leave the old one where it is
02:25:30 [timbl]
We could run a script over the exiting rdf/xml files I suppose
02:26:05 [presbrey]
the data wiki never did svn commits
02:26:20 [timbl]
Do you think we should remove the 2010 and just have /datawiki or something?
02:26:31 [timbl]
Will you do svn commits?
02:26:36 [timbl]
yes that was a bug
02:26:39 [presbrey]
sure its possible
02:27:00 [presbrey]
on the VM server we're developing there is no 2010; no need from my perspective
02:27:23 [timbl]
But we should run this on dig.csail.mit.edu
02:27:40 [timbl]
wehn it works
02:27:42 [presbrey]
yep hopefully it will run there without significant change from the repo version
02:28:56 [presbrey]
is there already a conneg module to handle SW Accept: n3,rdf/xml,json formats and look for a closest source file .n3,.rdf to convert from?
02:29:02 [mcherian]
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02:29:26 [presbrey]
we can do that in python but it seems the wrong place
02:35:01 [timbl]
Well, the normal apache conneg module just looks for what is there -- i don't think it will ocnvert :-(
02:35:05 [timbl]
convert
02:35:19 [presbrey]
so then we make one of those
02:35:27 [presbrey]
or serialize to all formats we expect to be requested
02:35:41 [timbl]
Serializing on the fly is mouch mroe cool
02:35:48 [presbrey]
and scalable!
02:35:57 [timbl]
dfinitely
02:36:00 [presbrey]
but yes, more cool
02:36:09 [presbrey]
scalable for limited disk space, not limited cpu
02:37:06 [timbl]
Makes sense to store in turtle and prefer that in conneg
02:37:36 [timbl]
But can we get a simple turtle only version running and do conneg in v 1.1?
02:40:50 [presbrey]
I think it should be working now
02:41:21 [presbrey]
http://dig.xvm.mit.edu/wiki/people/JoeLambda
02:41:34 [presbrey]
try editing?
02:42:45 [presbrey]
oh I need to add the MS-Author-Via: timbl
02:42:59 [presbrey]
ctype is text/turtle or text/n3 ?
02:43:06 [timbl]
text/n3
02:43:17 [timbl]
Either should work
02:44:58 [timbl]
Ugh .. tabulator bug won't let me add new info when there are no existing omnes
02:45:05 [timbl]
http://dig.xvm.mit.edu/wiki/people/JoeLambda#foo
02:45:35 [presbrey]
I was adding 66 as foaf:age to http://dig.xvm.mit.edu/wiki/people/JoeLambda#JL
02:45:40 [presbrey]
but using curl
02:45:46 [presbrey]
the headers are all there so that should work now
02:47:19 [timbl]
yes but you edited it for something which has its native URI elsewhere, http://example.edu/2007/wiki/people/JoeLambda#JL
02:47:35 [timbl]
so tabulator has to add stuff to example.edu
02:48:01 [presbrey]
no
02:48:01 [timbl]
We need a staement about http://dig.xvm.mit.edu/wiki/people/JoeLambda#JL in there
02:48:06 [presbrey]
there is
02:48:07 [presbrey]
clear your cache
02:48:10 [presbrey]
there are both in there
02:48:14 [timbl]
ok
02:48:21 [presbrey]
I ran the insert from DesignIssues first without noticing
02:48:37 [presbrey]
then the next one I ran had the right domain but of course appended to the existing
02:48:55 [presbrey]
maybe some Cache-Control:private would do well here
02:49:03 [presbrey]
lets see what else I use...
02:50:00 [presbrey]
Cache-Control: no-store, no-cache, must-revalidate, post-check=0, pre-check=0; Pragma:no-cache
02:50:01 [timbl]
Ok, I added a comment.
02:50:15 [presbrey]
yes you did
02:50:42 [presbrey]
should I put the no caching headers in?
02:51:22 [timbl]
I have a bug with my version o fthe tabulator that it never gets the readystate: 4 callback
02:51:54 [timbl]
No one else seems to get it, which drives me crazy. It is as though XHR is just broken.
02:52:04 [timbl]
Just for the sparql-update
02:52:12 [presbrey]
are you on windows?
02:52:14 [timbl]
caching headers.
02:52:18 [timbl]
No, mac
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02:52:34 [timbl]
with firefox 3.6.8
02:52:40 [presbrey]
firefox has a profile manager. you should see if its just your profile or all of your pc
02:52:48 [timbl]
Not sure about caching headers, could make everything slow.
02:53:21 [presbrey]
if we ever wanted to do that wave-like rdf editing on a lan we wouldn't want much caching
02:53:22 [timbl]
Ideally, what we do is do pubsub so that when the doc changes, anyone using it gets a pub/sub poke
02:54:26 [presbrey]
I don't think people expect much caching on wikis
02:54:33 [presbrey]
we want to see changes as soon as they are made
02:54:45 [presbrey]
simple time-based caching makes collaboration is harder
02:55:18 [presbrey]
anyway... I'll just put them on sparql update for now
02:56:08 [presbrey]
though I didn't think browsers cache'd POST requests anyway
02:56:13 [knappy]
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02:56:17 [presbrey]
so it would seem to make little difference
02:57:12 [timbl]
no you cant cache post
02:59:17 [presbrey]
ok so I'll commit this all at the top level then?
02:59:31 [timbl]
looks good
03:07:28 [timbl]
where is it
03:07:30 [timbl]
?
03:07:35 [presbrey]
cool its all done then
03:07:39 [presbrey]
r29504
03:07:53 [timbl]
where in which repo?
03:08:06 [timbl]
normal dig svn?
03:08:06 [presbrey]
https://svn.csail.mit.edu/dig/wiki/
03:08:54 [timbl]
Oh, thats inside a CSAIL repo, under dig?
03:09:13 [presbrey]
yeah I thought thats where most things go
03:09:19 [presbrey]
did you want that in the w3 cvs?
03:10:12 [presbrey]
feel free to move it just let me know where it ends up
03:11:06 [timbl]
Ah svn+ssh://svn.csail.mit.edu/afs/csail.mit.edu/group/dig/REPOS
03:13:59 [timbl]
If I do
03:14:01 [timbl]
$ svn co https://svn.csail.mit.edu/dig/wiki/
03:14:01 [timbl]
Error validating server certificate for 'https://svn.csail.mit.edu:443':
03:14:13 [timbl]
svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/dig/wiki'
03:14:13 [timbl]
svn: PROPFIND of '/dig/wiki': 403 Forbidden (https://svn.csail.mit.edu)
03:14:22 [presbrey]
you have to say (p) permanently
03:14:29 [presbrey]
I am looking at https://svn.csail.mit.edu/dig/wiki/ in firefox just fine
03:15:16 [timbl]
It asks for a password
03:15:42 [timbl]
won't take my svn one
03:15:45 [presbrey]
you aren't in the htpasswd, send me one
03:19:09 [presbrey]
ok go try it now
03:22:42 [knappy]
Tim you are on the front page of Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
03:36:38 [timbl]
Ok, presbrey, thanks for getting the wiki code working, now we need swobjects compiled on dig.csail
03:37:11 [timbl]
which hopefully ericp will be able to get working tomorrow, then we will have a working data space for knappy (and me)
03:37:36 [knappy]
:D
03:37:58 [presbrey]
no problem!
03:38:10 [presbrey]
Linux groups.csail.mit.edu 2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 #1 SMP Wed May 12 18:37:58 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
03:38:12 [timbl]
:)
03:38:19 [presbrey]
dig.csail will need that 64-bit hack, ericP
03:38:35 [presbrey]
ha! perfect timing
03:38:39 [timbl]
That's an issue with SWIG?
03:38:46 [ericP]
to make SWObjects_wrap.cxx compile?
03:38:50 [presbrey]
yes, swig not #swig of course
03:39:29 [ericP]
timbl, yeah, [[ va_list* foo; va_list bar = *foo; ]] is giving an error
03:39:39 [timbl]
(knappy, swig is an Interface Generator, swig is the Sem Web interest group .. just to save any confusion)
03:39:41 [presbrey]
ericP, it would be nice if you looked at how I use SWObjects in __post.py
03:39:41 [ericP]
hard to justify
03:39:51 [ericP]
dir?
03:40:08 [ericP]
/usr/lcaol/src/rdfwiki?
03:40:21 [presbrey]
https://svn.csail.mit.edu/dig/wiki/__post.py
03:40:57 [presbrey]
oops I now see I say text/turtle in one place and text/n3 in another
03:41:54 [presbrey]
ericP, on dig.xvm its at /srv/dig/www/wiki/__post.py
03:42:23 [ericP]
[[ SWObjects.MediaType('text/turtle') ]] nice!
03:43:26 [ericP]
omg, i have to fix ensureGraph
03:43:28 [ericP]
it's killing me
03:43:46 [presbrey]
I didn't use ensureGraph
03:44:04 [presbrey]
I dd use assureGraph
03:44:25 [ericP]
exactly, so embarassing i can't even type it
03:45:09 [ericP]
looks good. has the right output?
03:45:15 [presbrey]
sorta
03:45:28 [presbrey]
it does not reinsert duplicate objects
03:45:55 [ericP]
i don't follow
03:46:03 [presbrey]
curl -d 'INSERT { <JoeLambda#JL> <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/age> 66 }' -H Content-type:application/sparql-query http://dig.xvm.mit.edu/wiki/people/JoeLambda
03:46:13 [presbrey]
I expect that to keep inserting more copies of his age?
03:46:23 [ericP]
with the same age?
03:46:26 [presbrey]
there is already a <#JL> foaf:age 66
03:46:33 [ericP]
are spo all the same?
03:46:36 [presbrey]
eg. <#JL> foaf:age 66, 66, 66.
03:46:39 [ericP]
it should have set semantcs
03:46:52 [presbrey]
o I c ok
03:47:04 [presbrey]
guess its fine then
03:47:41 [ericP]
sweet!
03:48:30 [ericP]
btw, why return text/n3? is this expected to grow to n3?
03:48:54 [presbrey]
apparently. we're also using .n3 suffix
03:49:17 [presbrey]
are you sitting in muddy water?
03:49:18 [ericP]
any leads on more memory?
03:49:26 [presbrey]
no I haven't emailed
03:49:42 [ericP]
hmm, no muddy water around me now
03:49:44 [ericP]
should i be?
03:50:25 [presbrey]
oh nm, I meant muddy river
03:50:37 [ericP]
ahh, nope, at home
03:50:44 [ericP]
had a cookout this evening
03:51:01 [presbrey]
ok I better go home too then
03:51:06 [ericP]
well, someone else did; i just showed up to eat
03:51:55 [ericP]
you're not at home?
03:52:24 [presbrey]
nope kendall
03:52:33 [ericP]
you live near there?
03:52:41 [presbrey]
central
03:52:47 [timbl]
ericp, is its silly to rule out the thing groing into N3
03:52:59 [timbl]
tabulator can display n3
03:53:03 [nunnun_away]
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03:53:14 [timbl]
Oshani uses it for rules and things
03:53:22 [timbl]
and justifications
03:53:32 [presbrey]
k see y'all at home
03:54:22 [ericP]
ciao presbrey
03:54:26 [timbl]
Thanks both
03:54:49 [timbl]
but it won't be n3 in the data wiki for a while
03:54:52 [ericP]
timbl, yeah, but it's also a little antisocial to require increased expressivity in the consumer
03:54:54 [timbl]
i don't think
03:55:16 [ericP]
it's a classic expressivity problem
03:55:25 [timbl]
but it won't be n3 in the data wiki for a while i don't think
03:55:36 [timbl]
Ok, so if it is turtle is should sold as turtle?
03:55:47 [ericP]
i think so
03:56:01 [ericP]
let's examine the migration path
03:56:03 [timbl]
and the filename should be .ttl?
03:56:14 [ericP]
what could post n3?
03:56:21 [ericP]
ttl, yep
03:56:29 [timbl]
Then what happens when someone wants to add a rul ein the future? It switches?
03:56:49 [ericP]
yeah, i guess
03:57:17 [ericP]
i guess we don't have a SPARQL INSERT for n3, but the migration could be triggered by someone PUTting n3
03:57:22 [timbl]
just copying stuff from other places with rules, also suppose Knappy decides to make a CV format which uses graphs to say from ghs date to this date the following was true?
03:57:52 [timbl]
true, the sparql clauses woudl have to be upgraded.
03:58:08 [ericP]
we *could* have a dual access, but that seems like asking for trouble
03:58:24 [ericP]
easier if someone PUTs n3, then the .ttl disappears
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03:59:48 [ericP]
http://dig.xvm.mit.edu/rdfdocs/path/and/file?query=INSERT { GRAPH </some/other/file> { <s> <p> <o> } } could put n3
03:59:56 [ericP]
but i guess trig would be more natural
04:03:52 [timbl]
just POST a INSERT { {?x a Man} => {?x a Person}}
04:04:23 [timbl]
I guess the whole swobjects thing does no n3
04:04:43 [timbl]
so sticking with turtle for the i/o seems reasonable
04:09:34 [ericP]
we can pump it up later
04:12:06 [presbrey]
easy fix, we had it doing .ttl a couple hours ago
04:12:51 [presbrey]
presbrey@groups:~$ swig
04:12:52 [presbrey]
-bash: swig: command not found
04:12:56 [presbrey]
thats nice
04:14:00 [ericP]
anyone have some nice LOD slides i can present to ACS (american chemical society) on monday?
04:14:06 [ericP]
,timbl?
04:16:09 [timbl]
hi
04:16:25 [ericP]
heya
04:16:28 [timbl]
Hmm
04:16:34 [timbl]
LOD slides
04:16:44 [timbl]
not sure I do
04:16:46 [ericP]
i have to present LODD (drug data) to ACS on mon
04:17:13 [ericP]
the less i end up talking about chemistry, the less i'll embarass myself
04:17:16 [timbl]
some from the TED talk whcih you know well as you converetd them to PNGs
04:18:24 [ericP]
okidoke, i'll poke through there
04:20:22 [ericP]
i wonder what sandro has
04:21:58 [ericP]
that is, parsing [[ {?x a Man} => {?x a Person} ]] and [[ CONSTRUCT {?x a Person} WHERE {?x a Man} ]] create the same structure
04:22:04 [ericP]
ciao timbl
04:23:55 [ericP]
ooo, how about tabulator screenshots
04:23:56 [ericP]
?
04:37:50 [ericP]
no errors in http://www.w3.org/2005/01/yacker/uploads/n3_B?lang=perl&markup=html
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04:47:13 [kennyluck]
ericP, I have some slides -> http://linkeddata.jp/Tutorials/2010/0408-semweb-kennyluck/
04:47:43 [kennyluck]
Since your talk is going to be for science people, I think we can focus more on Open Data.
04:49:31 [kennyluck]
But not sure we want to say "Let's fill in the 'product', 'procedure', 'condition' table, so that we don't have to pay to SciFinder"
04:49:54 [kennyluck]
Notice that SciFinder is the database chemists use very often, proprietary.
04:50:21 [kennyluck]
They basically just extract those 'product', 'procedure', 'condition' from papers...
04:57:58 [ericP]
these are really nice!
04:59:13 [kennyluck]
Thanks, ericP. :)
05:01:14 [kennyluck]
I think SciFinder is something you can mention, but to be honest, they make money by doing the redundant PDF -> data process, so I think LOD will in the end break their business.
05:01:44 [ericP]
what are the captions on slide 17?
05:02:23 [nunnun]
Hi, kennyluck!
05:02:35 [kennyluck]
Hi, nunnun
05:03:18 [kennyluck]
Oh, ericP the left hand side is Rawdata and the right hand side in "Data with hyperlink capability"
05:03:23 [ericP]
they end in データ,
05:03:28 [kennyluck]
Data
05:03:34 [ericP]
yeah, got that part
05:04:25 [kennyluck]
Well, this is not very rigorous because some people will say Microformat and Feeds have hyperlink capability.
05:04:44 [ericP]
fair point
05:05:16 [kennyluck]
Also I call the middle "Linked Data" but I am not sure if recently Linked Data means "Data with hyperlink capability"
05:06:32 [ericP]
"Linked Data" appears to mean more than data which is linked
05:07:22 [ericP]
for insta,ce, nothing about "linked" "data" implies RDF (could be a network of conventional XML data documents), but "linked data" seems to mean that it's in RDF
05:09:06 [kennyluck]
Anyway.
05:13:09 [ericP]
ok, off to bed
05:13:16 [ericP]
tx kindly!
05:14:15 [kennyluck]
No problem. Nice dream!
05:21:01 [presbrey]
good night all
05:22:26 [kennyluck]
good night
05:23:31 [presbrey]
hey kennyluck. the data wiki is in python. your rules modules should be readded even easier now since cwm is as well
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05:37:12 [kennyluck]
Oh, cool, we finally get rid of PHP :p presbrey?
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06:15:27 [presbrey]
yes good times indeed ;)
06:18:53 [presbrey]
im thinking of an interface for hooking the sparql query, the request uri, or other metadata as pluggable module
06:20:06 [presbrey]
the current update file-writer needs entry in the hooks
06:21:05 [presbrey]
some code might want different data early or late, before or after
06:22:24 [presbrey]
use swobjects to get read/insert/update/delete intent and confirm with authz rdf acl
06:23:09 [presbrey]
and your rss and other policys to get run sometime
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06:27:18 [presbrey]
passthru/proxy to other sparql endpoints w/ write-back might be another cool module
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07:07:40 [kennyluck]
Sure presbrey, I thought of that as some sort of sparul redirection. Since I am no longer in DIG but my WebID should be http://dig.csail.mit.edu/People/kennyluck#I forever.
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11:56:15 [timbl]
Hi Kenny
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15:10:05 [ericP]
presbrey, the answer for swig va_lists was so simple:
15:10:07 [ericP]
perl -0777 -p -e 's{(va_list\s*\*[^\r\n]+\r?\n\s*)(arg\d) = (\*temp)}{${1}va_copy($2, $3)}'
15:10:23 [presbrey]
cool nice work
15:10:38 [presbrey]
did you compile swig there as well?
15:10:57 [ericP]
nah, i hestitate to re-compile unless no one wants the machine for 20 mins
15:11:12 [presbrey]
no I meant on groups.csail
15:11:22 [ericP]
oh, nope
15:11:39 [presbrey]
its missing swig
15:11:56 [presbrey]
I dont know if the cp .cxx trick would work there...
15:11:57 [ericP]
doens't seem to know eric either
15:12:13 [presbrey]
can you get on login.csail?
15:12:40 [ericP]
hmm, it wants a password
15:12:50 [ericP]
same as kerberose pword?
15:12:56 [ericP]
(whatever that is)
15:13:55 [presbrey]
you had your eric_ath ?
15:14:11 [ericP]
i have a guess
15:14:20 [ericP]
i think csail knows me by eric
15:14:27 [ericP]
but pword may be the same
15:14:46 [presbrey]
they do cross realm acls with athena as well if you know eric_ath
15:15:24 [ericP]
do you know someplace else i can test eric_ath?
15:16:09 [presbrey]
ssh eric_ath@linerva.mit.edu
15:16:16 [presbrey]
kinit eric_ath@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
15:16:50 [ericP]
ok, i know eric_ath's pword
15:17:02 [ericP]
didn't work on login.csail
15:17:13 [ericP]
i'll head to tig after lunch
15:17:36 [ericP]
you up for lunch in an hour?
15:19:04 [presbrey]
sure though I dont have my laptop today and I have a meeting at 1
15:20:32 [presbrey]
wheres lunch?
15:20:36 [ericP]
roger. can still put our heads together over my laptop if we want to strategize
15:20:39 [ericP]
up to you
15:20:44 [ericP]
(location)
15:20:52 [ericP]
(also time)
15:22:09 [presbrey]
presbrey@groups:~$ apt-cache show swig | grep -i vers
15:22:09 [presbrey]
Version: 1.3.36-1
15:22:40 [presbrey]
groups has 1.3 there so we'll have to set up the tarball there anyway
15:23:09 [presbrey]
(I didn't have it either. what requires such a new version?)
15:23:49 [ericP]
i think stuff like %nestedworkaround w3c_sw::BGPSimplifier::NonConjunctionState;
15:24:04 [ericP]
but i don't think i've tried with 1.3.x
15:26:53 [presbrey]
um kendall food court at 12?
15:28:13 [ericP]
sure
15:28:17 [presbrey]
it didn't work with 1.3.x on my machine
15:28:22 [presbrey]
cool I'll be standing near the orange chicken... ;)
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18:15:35 [presbrey]
ericP
18:16:12 [presbrey]
extra RAM seems on the way :)
18:16:21 [presbrey]
having fun with your slides?
18:20:45 [ericP]
woohoo!
18:21:06 [ericP]
i'm proceeding with massive renaming just now
18:22:23 [ericP]
i wasn't sure how to answer their "how long would you need the extra RAM for?"
18:22:43 [ericP]
i mean, we're expected to give it back? like 1G is such a big deal?
18:26:38 [presbrey]
haha I think they care more about what for than how long but don't like to ask
18:27:07 [presbrey]
apparently there is even more if we need it
18:27:52 [presbrey]
...or two machines
18:27:59 [presbrey]
fun idea
18:28:06 [presbrey]
you'll have to start remembering your kerberos password
18:28:58 [timbl]
<http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2007/wiki/tab-tracker/state#foobar> <<http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/title> "Moby Dick" .
18:28:58 [timbl]
<http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2007/wiki/tab-tracker/state#foobar> <http://www.w3.org/2005/01/wf/flow#state> <http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2010/issues/track#New> .
18:28:59 [timbl]
}
18:29:31 [presbrey]
I always thought Xen should let you oversubscribe RAM to guests and allocate it dynamically based on who needs it when and use host swap for any unfulfillable allocations
18:31:23 [timbl]
It doesn't seem to write anything back
18:31:57 [presbrey]
old data wiki or new?
18:32:11 [timbl]
There is now an empty file at http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2007/wiki/tab-tracker/state -- old
18:33:44 [timbl]
should i be trrying the new?
18:34:16 [presbrey]
yes you can try it on xvm
18:36:54 [presbrey]
works pretty well for me
18:37:02 [presbrey]
I mangled your query a bit to avoid conflict...
18:37:28 [presbrey]
curl -s -d 'BASE <http://dig.xvm.mit.edu/wiki/">http://dig.xvm.mit.edu/wiki/> INSERT { <tabulator/state#foobar> <http://www.w3.org/2005/01/wf/flow#tracker> <issues/track#Tabuator> . <tabulator/state#foobar> <http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/title> "Moby Dick" . <tabulator/state#foobar> <http://www.w3.org/2005/01/wf/flow#state> <issues/track#New> . }' -H Content-type:application/sparql-query http://dig.xvm.mit.edu/wiki/tabulator | rapper -q -i turtle -o turtle - http://
18:37:31 [presbrey]
@base <http://> .
18:37:31 [presbrey]
@prefix rdf: <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#> .
18:37:31 [presbrey]
<http://dig.xvm.mit.edu/wiki/tabulator/state#foobar>
18:37:32 [presbrey]
<http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/title> "Moby Dick" ;
18:37:34 [presbrey]
<http://www.w3.org/2005/01/wf/flow#state> <http://dig.xvm.mit.edu/wiki/issues/track#New> ;
18:37:36 [presbrey]
<http://www.w3.org/2005/01/wf/flow#tracker> <http://dig.xvm.mit.edu/wiki/issues/track#Tabuator> .
18:39:46 [timbl]
--------------------
18:46:29 [timbl]
Tried: http://dig.xvm.mit.edu/wiki/tabulator/tracker/state
18:47:12 [presbrey]
I see /tabulator/tracker/ got created
18:47:36 [presbrey]
are you using tabulator or is there a curl there?
18:47:39 [timbl]
Ooops i see syntax error in the insert
18:48:23 [presbrey]
yep worked that time
18:49:30 [timbl]
I'm using tabulator -- a isue tracking pane
18:50:15 [presbrey]
cool
18:50:21 [timbl]
I'm not getting the end o fthe transaction from http://dig.xvm.mit.edu/wiki/tabulator/tracker/state in AJAX.
18:50:41 [presbrey]
thats local to your machine?
18:51:30 [timbl]
It does indeed only happen on my machine, not on Oshanis or knappy's
18:52:22 [presbrey]
ha. are you using the tabulator hg trunk?
18:53:04 [timbl]
the "refactor" branch, which is the effective trunck
18:53:44 [timbl]
Seemed to be same files, smae versionof ffox as Oshani.
18:53:59 [timbl]
knappy gets called back with readystate=1 then later =4
18:54:02 [timbl]
I only get the 1
18:54:08 [timbl]
driving me crazy
18:55:05 [timbl]
Only happens when doibg sparql updates
18:55:11 [timbl]
inserts etc
18:55:12 [timbl]
'
18:55:19 [timbl]
not when doing normal fetches
18:56:29 [timbl]
Well actually, once I have done the POST, the next GET has the same problem -- never completes.
18:59:28 [presbrey]
is this against only the new or old data wiki as well?
18:59:56 [timbl]
new
19:00:01 [timbl]
now
19:00:04 [timbl]
same for old
19:00:14 [timbl]
maybe something to do with it being a post
19:03:30 [timbl]
(by the way, a random thought if a turtle file send as a POST would wrapped and treated as a SPARQL INSERT.. then one could just throw new data at the store with POST to a doc)
19:03:54 [timbl]
What could go wroing between readystate 1 and 4
19:04:24 [timbl]
given that the POST did work.
19:05:07 [timbl]
You do send enough CRLFs and stuff in the response?
19:05:30 [timbl]
maybe a timing thing closing a connection with things in the pipe
19:17:53 [presbrey]
we could try hacking a fix in by disabling keepalives?
19:18:23 [presbrey]
I'm not doing anything weird in the handler
19:18:45 [presbrey]
I'm not sure what you mean by wrapping turtle in POST, sounds like PUT?
19:19:19 [presbrey]
or are you saying POST:text/turtle =~ PUT?
19:20:14 [presbrey]
I was going to merge the get and post handlers as part of a step towards modular hooking
19:20:42 [presbrey]
I had already planned on having content-type being an integral part of that; good to know there are even more use cases
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19:39:13 [timbl]
not PUT, APPEND
19:39:26 [timbl]
would need write or append privs
19:39:31 [presbrey]
ohhh ok
19:39:57 [presbrey]
is it safe to simply file-append or do you always have to re-parse=>update=>serialize?
19:40:03 [timbl]
Just a simpler way of doing a an insert.
19:40:11 [timbl]
could be useful for scripting
19:40:37 [timbl]
Disabling keepalives.
19:40:59 [presbrey]
I think file-append might be a good quick append and works with swobjects as it never seems to include @directives in toString
19:41:01 [timbl]
It certainly seems that once I've done a sparql update on that server, nothing else completes
19:42:36 [presbrey]
nevermind that... keepalives are already disabled
19:42:48 [presbrey]
Connection: close
19:44:24 [presbrey]
you are using firefox 3.6.8?
19:45:07 [timbl]
yup
19:45:48 [presbrey]
I just did: hg clone http://dig.csail.mit.edu/hg/tabulator
19:45:53 [presbrey]
how do I get the refactor branch?
19:46:01 [timbl]
hg update refactor
19:46:56 [timbl]
Then you have to set your profile to point to it
19:46:59 [timbl]
The I run /Applications/Firefox.app/Contents/MacOS/firefox-bin http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2010/issues/track#TabTracker
19:47:09 [timbl]
for example
19:49:28 [presbrey]
why do I see 'Request for' in the object dropdown?
19:50:05 [timbl]
?
19:50:11 [timbl]
objcet dropdown?
19:50:16 [presbrey]
the autocomplete has some stuff I'm not expecting
19:50:35 [presbrey]
thats ok. the only time I get readyState=1 is when 500 errors come back
19:50:42 [presbrey]
every other request I got a readyState=4
19:51:19 [presbrey]
of course my user agent is so far from yours I'm not sure how helpful this is
19:51:21 [timbl]
What were you editing?
19:51:33 [presbrey]
/wiki/test
19:51:51 [presbrey]
no
19:51:54 [presbrey]
/wiki/presbrey
19:52:05 [presbrey]
/dig.xvm.mit.edu/wiki/presbrey
19:52:54 [timbl]
I was going to http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2010/issues/track#TabTracker and in the tracker pane doing "new issue" and filling in a title of a new issue
19:53:17 [presbrey]
does /issues/ use the data wiki php code?
19:53:36 [presbrey]
editMethod: No recorded HTTP GET response for document <http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2010/issues/track>
19:53:50 [timbl]
It has a pointerto its issueStore which is in the wiki
19:53:58 [timbl]
The pane uses that
19:54:46 [presbrey]
how does New issue know what to do ? is that pane hardcoded in tabulator?
19:55:09 [timbl]
No, it is pointed to fromthe Tracker instance
19:55:31 [presbrey]
cool I was hoping for something like that
19:55:56 [timbl]
If you look with the normal pane (magnifying glass and document) you will see "state store ...xvm ..."
19:56:32 [presbrey]
can the --classify-- be autocompletes w/ or w/o a rdfs:range as well?
19:57:07 [timbl]
The --classiy is a set of subclasses of issue.
19:57:24 [timbl]
one set is state, the other category
19:57:41 [timbl]
They are completely driven from the tracker definition
19:58:02 [timbl]
See "Issue class"
19:58:11 [presbrey]
I guess I'm asking if you can define the set with a rule rather than explicit enumeration
19:58:26 [presbrey]
like a dropdown with a list of my current foaf:knows/friends
19:58:41 [presbrey]
dropdown or autocomplete
19:59:06 [presbrey]
Issue Class seems to enumerate all options explicitly
19:59:17 [timbl]
Not yet, but I hoep to allow for example the assignee class to be an OWL statement that it is people who are developers o fthe tabulator projcet
19:59:41 [presbrey]
yes thats a much better example for issue tracker use
19:59:44 [timbl]
I'd like to also work on much smarter dropdowns using more RDFS and OWL.
19:59:56 [timbl]
I have started in that direction.
20:00:18 [timbl]
But right now I need to get the sparql update working
20:00:30 [timbl]
I take it it works for you?
20:01:03 [presbrey]
new issue failed
20:01:12 [timbl]
You get redystate 4 s in the console log?
20:01:23 [timbl]
I get SPARQL update ready state for <http://dig.xvm.mit.edu/wiki/tabulator/tracker/state> readyState=1
20:01:24 [presbrey]
submit/enter sent me to <http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2010/issues/track?title=does+it+work+for+me>
20:02:18 [timbl]
Ok, that is the HTML form working -- haven;t rememberd how to turn that off. But the submit function should have run and done the INSERT.
20:02:35 [presbrey]
I don't see any messages about sparql update state
20:02:39 [presbrey]
just...
20:02:41 [presbrey]
editMethod: No recorded HTTP GET response for document <http://dig.xvm.mit.edu/wiki/tabulator/tracker/state> !
20:02:41 [presbrey]
editMethod: No recorded HTTP GET response for document <http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2010/issues/track?title=does+it+work+for+me> !
20:02:41 [presbrey]
editMethod: No recorded HTTP GET response for document <http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2010/issues/track?title=does+it+work+for+me%3F> !
20:04:12 [timbl]
hmmm .. maybe you don't have the dump statement I do
20:04:28 [timbl]
xhr.onreadystatechange = function() {
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dump("SPARQL update ready state for <"+uri+"> readyState="+xhr.readyState+"\n"+query+"\n");
20:04:29 [timbl]
20:06:48 [presbrey]
twice in rdflib.js and twice in sparqlUpdate.js
20:07:33 [timbl]
two dump statements
20:07:44 [timbl]
You don't see the result of the on the console?
20:07:52 [timbl]
(one onreadystatechange)
20:08:02 [presbrey]
no I guess the form submit is interfering
20:09:14 [presbrey]
I don't have a submit button so I don't know how to _not_ press enter
20:10:50 [timbl]
That is odd
20:11:11 [presbrey]
I'm looking at it with wireshark too now. its definitely NOT sparul'ing
20:11:17 [presbrey]
GET /2010/issues/track?title=qwer HTTP/1.1
20:11:31 [presbrey]
ends up sending back the n3
20:11:32 [presbrey]
<> s:label "A tracker for Tabulator Issues";
20:11:34 [timbl]
try hg pull; hg update to get the same pane as I have
20:11:43 [presbrey]
and even a ETag on the doc. definitely not the data wiki
20:11:56 [timbl]
any URI with a ? in it is a complete red herring
20:12:34 [presbrey]
as is data wiki INSERT via GET
20:12:59 [presbrey]
1 changeset with 1 change to 1 file
20:13:10 [timbl]
So if I run ffox on the TabTracker URI, then New Issue, then fil in a title then press return, the title I filled in goes gray, and I get a dump.
20:13:36 [presbrey]
http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2010/issues/track?title=joesnewissue#TabTracker
20:14:01 [presbrey]
ha a dump would be way more helpful
20:14:24 [presbrey]
is there a 'return' vs. 'enter' discrepancy?
20:14:25 [timbl]
This is with the latest pane?
20:14:43 [presbrey]
this is on linux. newline vs carriage return?
20:14:48 [presbrey]
latest pane
20:14:54 [timbl]
I hit the return key
20:15:06 [timbl]
(it has enter in small but I don't know the mapping)
20:15:09 [presbrey]
and you don't get ?title= ??
20:15:25 [timbl]
No, I did earlier
20:15:29 [presbrey]
mine redirects to GET ?title=[input] in the location bar
20:15:49 [presbrey]
if only I could add that as a new issue!
20:15:56 [timbl]
and no console message
20:16:06 [timbl]
This is running linux?
20:16:11 [presbrey]
only the 1: editMethod: No recorded HTTP GET response for document <http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2010/issues/track?title=enter+on+linux+fails> !
20:16:43 [timbl]
YEs, taht is it complaining that it doesn't know whether the file is editable as it hasn't get got a HTTP response back for it,
20:16:47 [timbl]
That i slife.
20:16:56 [presbrey]
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.7) Gecko/20100723 Fedora/3.6.7-1.fc13 Firefox/3.6.7
20:17:51 [timbl]
you did an hp pull; hg update; hg merge?
20:18:09 [timbl]
try them agin just incase
20:18:11 [presbrey]
not all that, just pull
20:18:25 [timbl]
so long as it does nothing
20:18:36 [presbrey]
[presbrey@endor tabulator]$ hg merge
20:18:36 [presbrey]
abort: branch 'refactor' has one head - please merge with an explicit rev
20:18:44 [timbl]
ok
20:18:48 [presbrey]
sorry. I only know svn and git essentials
20:19:11 [timbl]
I am not an hg expert.
20:19:32 [timbl]
How does one stop the form submit happening a la HTML form?
20:19:33 [presbrey]
tabulator now looks like it lists your identi.ca as primary foaf URI? is that on purpose?
20:19:45 [timbl]
No.
20:19:58 [timbl]
Not advogato?
20:20:00 [presbrey]
yeah I thought that seemed weird
20:20:10 [timbl]
It used to pick alphabetical order
20:20:14 [presbrey]
mine does turn gray and hang now
20:20:38 [presbrey]
oh cool its sending the update to http://dig.xvm.mit.edu/wiki/tabulator/tracker/state though
20:21:36 [timbl]
(It alowasy uses the same URI for teh issue so we just get more titles on the same issue)
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20:22:18 [timbl]
Ah, great. You are in teh same place as I am
20:22:21 [timbl]
It hangs
20:22:32 [timbl]
of course there could be code reasons why it doens't
20:22:47 [timbl]
What about the console message s now?
20:23:03 [presbrey]
SPARQL update complete for <http://dig.xvm.mit.edu/wiki/tabulator/tracker/state> status=200, text=<http://dig.xvm.mit.edu/wiki/tabulator/tracker/state#foobar> <http://www.w3.org/2005/01/wf/flow#tracker> <http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2010/issues/track#TabTracker> .
20:23:07 [presbrey]
SPARQL update ready state for <http://dig.xvm.mit.edu/wiki/tabulator/tracker/state> readyState=4
20:23:20 [presbrey]
none of them show up when I first hit the tracker
20:23:57 [presbrey]
they all disappear on a full refresh
20:25:11 [timbl]
Ok, you have the readystate=4 message
20:25:17 [presbrey]
yes
20:25:20 [timbl]
I only get readyState=1
20:25:24 [timbl]
you don't get a 1?
20:25:29 [presbrey]
do you not? try again now. I restarted the data wiki
20:25:33 [presbrey]
I do get a 1
20:25:41 [timbl]
a 1 then a 4?
20:25:42 [presbrey]
also a 2, 3, and 4
20:26:29 [timbl]
wow the lot
20:26:39 [timbl]
I still get just 1
20:26:53 [presbrey]
looked fine on this side
20:27:00 [presbrey]
dig.xvm.mit.edu 128.31.35.252 - - [06/Aug/2010:16:26:03 -0400] "POST /wiki/tabulator/tracker/state HTTP/1.1" 200 1603 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100722 Firefox/3.6.8"
20:27:33 [timbl]
I wonder what is weird on my system
20:27:53 [presbrey]
http://tabulator.pastebin.com/J9htC6BQ
20:28:47 [presbrey]
no viruses advertising themselves in your user agent string
20:31:15 [presbrey]
try editing over SSL?
20:31:28 [presbrey]
https://dig.xvm.mit.edu/wiki/tabulator/tracker/state
20:31:35 [presbrey]
should make no difference but just curious
20:31:51 [timbl]
Ok, I will switch the pointer
20:34:01 [timbl]
same.
20:34:54 [presbrey]
really? I didn't see your edit
20:35:16 [presbrey]
no 16:34 title there either
20:35:40 [timbl]
"This hsould be over HTTPS"
20:35:45 [timbl]
is the title
20:36:03 [presbrey]
I dont see it
20:36:57 [timbl]
I got the readystate 1
20:37:24 [presbrey]
I'm looking at https://dig.xvm.mit.edu/wiki/tabulator/tracker/state in tabulator and curl and don't see "should be over HTTPS"
20:37:36 [timbl]
Oh
20:38:02 [timbl]
Maybe then something is killing it after a while
20:38:35 [timbl]
maybe a reuse of a js variable accidentally not declared var
20:38:41 [timbl]
or something
20:38:57 [timbl]
and it ends up killing it before the https link coul dbe set up
20:39:11 [timbl]
Do you know what the significance of 1,2,3,4 are?
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20:40:17 [presbrey]
I used to. its not consistent which ones you get in different browsers so I stopped caring
20:40:39 [timbl]
Tried again. I get: SPARQL update ready state for <https://dig.xvm.mit.edu/wiki/tabulator/tracker/state> readyState=1
20:40:53 [presbrey]
apache is not reporting your access
20:41:27 [presbrey]
you have some weird TCP stack, or using a bad proxy?
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20:41:48 [timbl]
ahhh .. hang on
20:41:57 [timbl]
the hhtps has untrusted certs
20:42:11 [presbrey]
yes its in foaf-ssl mode
20:42:44 [presbrey]
cool you are even sending your foaf-ssl!
20:42:47 [presbrey]
dig.xvm.mit.edu 128.31.35.252 - <http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/card#i> [06/Aug/2010:16:42:20 -0400] "GET /wiki/tabulator/tracker/state HTTP/1.1" 200 1603 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100722 Firefox/3.6.8"
20:43:10 [presbrey]
that is too cool
20:43:52 [presbrey]
I know its a few years old but seeing URI IDs authenticated in access_log still makes me smile
20:44:12 [presbrey]
no .htpasswd required
20:44:36 [timbl]
Why didn't it tell me about certs and ask me about my cert then when I tried the sparql update, I wonder
20:44:51 [timbl]
I just did anothe rupdate which should have had a cert
20:44:55 [presbrey]
its reusing the existing SSL connection
20:45:20 [presbrey]
I am pretty sure foaf-dev/proto have an open issue with browser folk about that
20:45:32 [timbl]
It's all coming together, Joe, bit by bit
20:45:46 [presbrey]
henry I think is leading that
20:45:53 [timbl]
did that store my "1644:44 HTTPS with cert?
20:45:54 [presbrey]
yes indeed
20:46:06 [timbl]
Ah good.
20:46:12 [presbrey]
yes
20:46:15 [presbrey]
16:44 is there
20:46:19 [presbrey]
https with cert
20:46:35 [timbl]
All I need is the stupid readystate=4
20:46:46 [presbrey]
you didnt get one over https either?
20:47:02 [timbl]
nope
20:47:03 [presbrey]
change computers
20:47:18 [timbl]
I will take it back to teh Apple store -- I am sure they wil understand
20:47:33 [timbl]
I don't really have a convenient one -- could try a mac at home
20:48:05 [presbrey]
I don't think the geek squad is going to be able to help you with this issue ;)
20:48:15 [presbrey]
oops err, genius bar
20:49:21 [timbl]
well, i have been pleasantly surpised but not to this level
20:50:02 [presbrey]
me too. I complained about some dust creeping under my screen and they replaced my whole iphone
20:50:20 [presbrey]
if I started in about readyState I think I'd lose em
20:50:36 [presbrey]
probably just go with the dust again. theres definitely some.
20:51:18 [timbl]
Did you get a iphone 4?
20:51:29 [presbrey]
and when I turned my phone in all I had to do to protect my identity was go delete my iphone's public key from my foaf
20:51:54 [timbl]
Nice
20:51:57 [presbrey]
no this year of the ipad for me
20:52:03 [presbrey]
was* year of the ipad
20:52:03 [timbl]
:)
20:52:12 [presbrey]
and that was a bad joke
20:53:03 [presbrey]
what am I missing in iphone 4?
20:53:18 [timbl]
Well anyway ... seem to have determined taht there is a consisttn gremlin in this machine.
20:53:33 [timbl]
I might bike home and try an old mac book
20:53:47 [timbl]
I could also reinstall ffox
20:53:57 [timbl]
and various other sort of voodoo
20:54:21 [presbrey]
you can try another profile too?
20:54:27 [presbrey]
/Applications/Firefox.app/Contents/MacOS/firefox-bin -ProfileManager
20:55:02 [presbrey]
thats the flag on my firefox anyway
20:57:42 [timbl]
Thanks
20:57:47 [timbl]
Made a new profile
20:57:59 [presbrey]
did that fix it?
20:58:07 [timbl]
have to install
20:58:10 [presbrey]
right
20:58:30 [presbrey]
I called my profile 'tabulator' so I start with: firefox -P tabulator
20:58:55 [presbrey]
well: firefox -P tabulator http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2010/issues/track#TabTracker
20:59:00 [timbl]
wise .. mine has a space in
21:00:00 [presbrey]
you'll have to quote or escape its name then
21:00:03 [timbl]
Maybe another extension
21:00:04 [presbrey]
it can be renamed in ProfileManager as well
21:00:13 [timbl]
so i saw .. i will ..
21:00:37 [timbl]
aaah but to be without my bookmarks
21:03:19 [timbl]
Wooohoo! Tabulator issue pane: saved new issue
21:03:33 [timbl]
good idea presbrey
21:03:46 [timbl]
My giess is now one of the extensions in the other profile
21:05:37 [presbrey]
:)
21:05:47 [presbrey]
I can now wish you a happy tabulating weekend
21:06:32 [timbl]
Thank you!
21:06:45 [timbl]
and thanks for all the work on the wiki
21:06:57 [presbrey]
yes of course
21:07:13 [timbl]
I hope we get this stuff running in production in the DIG site and soon w3.org for daily work.
21:07:16 [presbrey]
and ericP on that note
21:07:41 [timbl]
My weeked just went up several notches already :)
21:10:40 [presbrey]
it should all only go up from here
21:10:44 [presbrey]
the python bindings make it easy
21:10:45 [amy]
:)
21:12:24 [amy]
hey Joe, you're always welcome for Tuesday lunches. it would be great to find a small way to thank you for all your hard work the past few days.
21:12:27 [amy]
Tim proposes a nice dinner w/ everyone, Oshani, you, EricP, all the students at the end of the summer
21:12:54 [amy]
but just to reiterate you're always welcome on Tuesdays
21:13:48 [presbrey]
oh yes thanks amy. I'll try to be around more tuesdays.
21:14:06 [presbrey]
this summer has been too busy
21:14:20 [amy]
great re: be around on Tuesday. sorry to hear re: busy summer
21:14:28 [amy]
i hope you get a break
21:14:29 [presbrey]
ha no its good to be busy
21:14:56 [presbrey]
my birthday falls over summer so thats always a nice break
21:15:09 [presbrey]
I hope you also have a happy (tabulating) weekend amy!
21:15:14 [presbrey]
or not tabulating
21:15:33 [amy]
thanks! :) i may do some photoshopping but not tabulating
21:16:18 [amy]
happy birthday! (for whenever your birthday is). if you come this week we'll have a birthday truffle for our CEO
21:17:43 [presbrey]
yum sounds good
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