IRC log of dig on 2014-03-19
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- DIGlogger: pointer?
- 09:26:45 [bblfish]
- See http://dig.csail.mit.edu/irc/dig/2014-03-19#T09-26-45
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- 13:32:49 [bblfish]
- hi deiu, I sent a mail to the WebID and RWW mailing list to try to summarise some of the issues we have come across with Web Access control
- 13:33:03 [deiu]
- yeah, I'm reading it now
- 13:33:16 [bblfish]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webid/2014Mar/0029.html
- 13:33:52 [bblfish]
- great :-) it then seems to get more complicated with CORS on top of it...
- 13:34:48 [deiu]
- do all your use cases generally involve acl documents being readable?
- 13:35:52 [deiu]
- also, re. sending cert
- 13:36:32 [deiu]
- in our case, we have two scenarios, ask/send the cert all the times under normal circumstances, or don't send the cert (which is like an incognito mode)
- 13:40:20 [bblfish]
- I think we allow both. If a resource is public no authentication is required
- 13:40:53 [deiu]
- yes, that's right, because you can control when the server asks for the cert
- 13:41:03 [deiu]
- I can't, since it's part of apache :(
- 13:41:39 [bblfish]
- yes - though I thought Apache could be made to be more intelligent.
- 13:42:14 [bblfish]
- Still even when a server can be more intelligent, it then has the problem I describe
- 13:42:53 [bblfish]
- which is how can a client request authentication on a resource even when the resource is publically accessible
- 13:44:01 [bblfish]
- I think both of the proposals may be needed. You may find the Link: </login> rel=authn header useful
- 13:44:56 [deiu]
- yes
- 13:45:16 [deiu]
- we've thought about that too
- 13:46:00 [deiu]
- we're also considering adding some triples to a .meta at the root of your server, where you define all those links
- 13:46:12 [deiu]
- instead of hardcoding them into the server
- 13:46:13 [bblfish]
- For servers where each resource can authenticate using WebID ( saving 1 authentication redirect ), then Link: <> rel="authn tls-auth" could be useful but we need the client to say it wants to be authenticated.
- 13:47:25 [deiu]
- use the Authorization header maybe?
- 13:47:40 [bblfish]
- Is there a client version of that?
- 13:47:47 [deiu]
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_access_authentication#Client_side
- 13:48:33 [deiu]
- Authorization: WebID-TLS
- 13:48:37 [bblfish]
- mhh yes.
- 13:48:52 [bblfish]
- good idea. thanks. ( send that in the response to the mail :-)
- 13:48:52 [deiu]
- no need to invent new Link rels :)
- 13:49:13 [bblfish]
- well the link rel could be useful for your use case
- 13:49:22 [bblfish]
- cause how does a robot know where to authenticate
- 13:49:28 [bblfish]
- for your setup?
- 13:49:38 [deiu]
- yeah, that's a different story
- 13:50:00 [deiu]
- the login links would be in the .meta file to which I link from my WebID
- 13:50:26 [deiu]
- there are some extra roundtrips at first, but the robot can learn and cache the links later
- 13:50:29 [bblfish]
- that's fine for a server where you allready have logged in
- 13:50:55 [bblfish]
- but say I with my WebID browser I have my JS got to your server
- 13:51:03 [deiu]
- ah yes
- 13:51:09 [bblfish]
- and my JS wants to know if it needs to login
- 13:51:13 [bblfish]
- or how
- 13:51:13 [deiu]
- I see now
- 13:51:35 [bblfish]
- :-)
- 13:51:51 [deiu]
- btw, this reminded me of something else (cc Sebastien-L)
- 13:52:20 [deiu]
- adding withCredentials to rdflib requests also allows you to use cookies (sessions) auth
- 13:52:23 [deiu]
- which is good
- 13:52:48 [deiu]
- you guys just need to send a proper Origin value, not just a wildcard
- 13:53:00 [deiu]
- btw, even http://localhost works
- 13:53:09 [bblfish]
- does that make the Communication more complex?
- 13:53:21 [bblfish]
- like potentially trigger an OPTIONS?
- 13:54:50 [Sebastien-L]
- bblfish, i've added this issue on our side: https://github.com/stample/rww-play/issues/118
- 13:54:51 [bblfish]
- ( or is the OPTIONS request triggered by the browser only when sending a POST or adding headers )
- 13:56:02 [bblfish]
- Sebastien-L: you wrote >>but the 'Access-Control-Allow-Credentials' header is ''. << -- did you mean is '*' ?
- 13:56:23 [Sebastien-L]
- no, it's the browser error
- 13:56:30 [Sebastien-L]
- actually no header is sent by the server
- 13:57:46 [bblfish]
- ok.
- 13:58:00 [Sebastien-L]
- deiu, actually the problem of withCredentials was not blocking for us
- 13:58:18 [deiu]
- good, it shouldn't have been :)
- 13:58:25 [Sebastien-L]
- i figured out it only happened in the cors proxy when fetching unavailable resources or something like that
- 13:58:31 [deiu]
- OPTIONS is part of cross-origin request with preflight
- 13:58:41 [Sebastien-L]
- the cors headers were not good when serving errors
- 13:59:02 [deiu]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/cors/#cross-origin-request-with-preflight-0
- 13:59:09 [Sebastien-L]
- so the client could not get the error body, but he could still get the success responses body because in this case the headers were set correctly
- 13:59:25 [deiu]
- it's a good thing we have specs :)
- 14:00:24 [deiu]
- anyway, I'm stepping out for a bit
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- bbl
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- 17:25:04 [melvster]
- very tempted to run a Cimba node
- 17:29:02 [deiu]
- melvster: there's no such thing
- 17:29:07 [deiu]
- it's a web app
- 17:30:28 [melvster]
- ah of course
- 17:30:53 [melvster]
- deiu: but there must be some kind of server component, e.g. for login etc.?
- 17:31:07 [deiu]
- none
- 17:31:10 [melvster]
- or do you use webizen?
- 17:31:18 [deiu]
- login is done through a widget :)
- 17:31:33 [melvster]
- cool!
- 17:31:39 [deiu]
- webizen is only used for search, it doesn't do anything else
- 17:31:58 [melvster]
- but what server powers the webid login and lookup?
- 17:32:47 [deiu]
- that's also a web app, hosted on github pages
- 17:33:35 [deiu]
- the _only_ backend is the one hosting your data (i.e. rww.io/data.fm)
- 17:41:17 [melvster]
- ah got it
- 17:42:35 [melvster]
- deiu: but how did you get github pages to return your webid to the web app? i thought you'd need something like a JSONP call for that ...
- 17:42:42 [deiu]
- oh and btw, cimba has responsive design, so it works on your mobile too
- 17:42:49 [melvster]
- brilliant
- 17:43:17 [deiu]
- the login widget does a HEAD to rww.io to retrieve the User: header
- 17:43:25 [melvster]
- ahhh
- 17:43:37 [deiu]
- and that HEAD request is authenticated
- 17:43:55 [melvster]
- smart
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- 19:48:26 [melvster]
- dieu ... really easy install ... ive put a copy up at http://foaf.cc/
- 19:48:32 [melvster]
- foaf.cc == foaf cloud computing :)
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- 19:49:36 [melvster]
- DIGlogger, pointer
- 19:49:36 [melvster]
- See http://dig.csail.mit.edu/irc/dig/2014-03-19#T19-49-36
- 19:49:44 [melvster]
- dieu: ^^
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- 20:17:57 [melvster]
- yep runs on localhost too :)
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- 20:30:43 [deiu]
- http://webizen.org/
- 20:30:48 [deiu]
- melvster: give it a shot :)
- 20:31:38 [melvster]
- hmm loading
- 20:31:44 [melvster]
- oh cool!
- 20:31:58 [melvster]
- wow nice!
- 20:32:21 [deiu]
- btw, that's also a web app :)
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- 20:32:49 [melvster]
- awesome
- 20:32:55 [melvster]
- deiu: was just looking at http://soapbox.github.io/jQuery-linkify/
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- 20:33:28 [melvster]
- deiu: love the search box and theme :)
- 20:33:41 [deiu]
- btw, we already have links in cimba
- 20:33:53 [melvster]
- oh we do?
- 20:34:03 [deiu]
- all http strings get converted to hyperlinks
- 20:34:14 [melvster]
- oh!!
- 20:34:16 [melvster]
- is that new?
- 20:34:39 [deiu]
- since early today
- 20:34:46 [melvster]
- lol
- 20:34:48 [melvster]
- great
- 20:34:50 [melvster]
- issue closed
- 20:35:00 [deiu]
- oh, you opened an issue?
- 20:35:10 [deiu]
- haha
- 20:35:23 [melvster]
- was going to patch it :)
- 20:35:49 [melvster]
- deiu: how hard do you think it would be to pull in a thumbnail etc. like popular social networks do?
- 20:36:12 [deiu]
- the problem is that I have to take a snapshot and store it "somewhere"
- 20:36:26 [melvster]
- deiu: true ...
- 20:36:27 [deiu]
- maybe there are libs that already do this?
- 20:36:35 [deiu]
- no time to look for one now :(
- 20:36:43 [melvster]
- ill do some searching
- 20:37:26 [melvster]
- looks really great tho ... the decentralized social web is starting to feel very real!
- 20:39:17 [deiu]
- btw, if you search for the full WebID, it will add it to the database
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- 21:00:33 [melvster]
- oh cool
- 21:00:54 [melvster]
- deiu: is there anyone I can follow apart from you on Cimba?
- 21:01:25 [deiu]
- not really
- 21:01:39 [deiu]
- no one knows about it
- 21:01:49 [melvster]
- ah ok ... is it private still?
- 21:02:11 [deiu]
- I guess you can tell people about it
- 21:02:37 [melvster]
- would be nice to get a few people following each other
- 21:02:46 [deiu]
- Sure
- 21:12:36 [presbrey]
- nice job with the webizens frontend deiu
- 21:13:00 [deiu]
- thanks
- 21:13:08 [presbrey]
- how fast is it for you on campus?
- 21:13:34 [presbrey]
- on a scale of 1 to 10 :)
- 21:14:11 [presbrey]
- I'm in building 12 and would rate it at 11
- 21:14:31 [presbrey]
- love it
- 21:15:17 [deiu]
- it's just as if I'm searching on my local machine
- 21:15:35 [deiu]
- I added a loading animation just in case though
- 21:16:10 [presbrey]
- loading? haha
- 21:16:14 [presbrey]
- it seems like its in local storage
- 21:16:23 [deiu]
- I had some issues earlier
- 21:16:24 [presbrey]
- with just one keypress
- 21:16:29 [melvster]
- very fast here too
- 21:16:32 [deiu]
- maybe the usual CSAIL wifi issues
- 21:17:06 [deiu]
- presbrey: maybe we should limit the results to 100 or so
- 21:17:17 [deiu]
- so you don't return the whole database when you enter one letter
- 21:17:20 [melvster]
- presbrey: are you blogging yet? if you have a public channel I'll follow you :)
- 21:17:38 [deiu]
- melvster: have you tried searching for him?
- 21:17:41 [deiu]
- ;)
- 21:17:44 [melvster]
- sure
- 21:17:52 [deiu]
- did it say he had channels
- 21:17:53 [deiu]
- ?
- 21:18:25 [melvster]
- i get the loader spinning for ages so i wasnt sure
- 21:18:31 [melvster]
- course i could have just browsed it :)
- 21:18:46 [presbrey]
- sorry I dont have any yet
- 21:19:02 [presbrey]
- have to add ACLs to gold then my webid can use cimba
- 21:19:15 [deiu]
- are you done with exams?
- 21:19:23 [presbrey]
- my exam is tonight 7pm-10pm
- 21:19:32 [melvster]
- good luck!
- 21:19:34 [deiu]
- ouch
- 21:19:39 [presbrey]
- trying to relax a little beforehand with some linked data :)
- 21:20:04 [presbrey]
- some casual nose following
- 21:20:11 [deiu]
- hmm
- 21:20:41 [deiu]
- try searching for "tim"
- 21:20:43 [melvster]
- of course webizen is a 'reverse' search, rather than, follow our nose :)
- 21:21:01 [deiu]
- 3rd result has a picture of some girl, with my WebID URI and with Tim's email
- 21:21:02 [deiu]
- hahaha
- 21:21:12 [deiu]
- no idea what went wrong there
- 21:21:12 [presbrey]
- yeah tim is looking good
- 21:21:29 [presbrey]
- we may have a bug there :)
- 21:22:00 [presbrey]
- at least its clear which one is "real"
- 21:22:07 [presbrey]
- (if you know about tim)
- 21:22:42 [presbrey]
- the API is not tracking provenance quite yet so there is some pollution between graphs
- 21:23:10 [presbrey]
- should help grow the indexes though
- 21:23:28 [deiu]
- yeah
- 21:23:40 [deiu]
- we need to fix this before telling people about it
- 21:24:01 [presbrey]
- yes
- 21:24:34 [melvster]
- in theory it might not be a bug
- 21:24:42 [melvster]
- anyone can write any triples they want
- 21:24:45 [melvster]
- and put them on a page
- 21:25:07 [deiu]
- true
- 21:25:30 [deiu]
- but I'm pretty sure my WebID doesn't have that photo nor the email address
- 21:26:14 [deiu]
- now it doesn't have my WebID anymore
- 21:26:19 [deiu]
- (the rww.io one)
- 21:26:20 [presbrey]
- when we consume the profiles, need to check if the triple subject is a descendant of the graph uri
- 21:26:26 [deiu]
- yes
- 21:26:30 [melvster]
- http://www.koalie.net/MyPics/small/12_coralie-20020825.png coralie
- 21:27:04 [deiu]
- haha, this is so messed up
- 21:27:20 [presbrey]
- now accepting patches: https://github.com/linkeddata/webizen :)
- 21:27:47 [presbrey]
- after my exam tonight I can fix it myself and refresh all known profiles
- 21:28:12 [deiu]
- hmm, presbrey can you please add some info in the README about running the go server? :)
- 21:28:18 [deiu]
- it's not urgent but it would be nice
- 21:28:31 [deiu]
- I have no idea how to run it myself atm
- 21:29:22 [presbrey]
- are you able to build successfully?
- 21:29:35 [deiu]
- <- installing golang now
- 21:29:51 [presbrey]
- you want v1.2.1
- 21:30:16 [deiu]
- ugh, ubuntu has 1.1.2
- 21:30:18 [presbrey]
- https://github.com/visualfc/liteide
- 21:30:58 [presbrey]
- https://code.google.com/p/go/downloads/detail?name=go1.2.1.linux-amd64.tar.gz&can=2&q=linux
- 21:36:32 [presbrey]
- you will have a static executable after you build/install webizen-server
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- 21:36:42 [presbrey]
- so just run it :)
- 21:37:11 [presbrey]
- the default configuration will work out of the box if you have a mysql server on localhost with root login and no password
- 21:38:54 [presbrey]
- if you do not want to rebuild every time, call: go run webizen-server/main.go
- 21:39:05 [presbrey]
- "-help" will show arguments
- 21:39:20 [deiu]
- ok
- 21:39:53 [presbrey]
- the gh-pages branch is a little messed up
- 21:40:04 [deiu]
- how so?
- 21:40:10 [presbrey]
- currently it appears to be branched from master
- 21:40:24 [presbrey]
- like you deleted and replaced the contents on your first commit
- 21:40:28 [presbrey]
- "first"
- 21:40:45 [presbrey]
- its not really "first" because you have a commit from master as the parent commit
- 21:41:45 [presbrey]
- ...
- 21:41:55 [presbrey]
- there are instructions for the right way here: https://help.github.com/articles/creating-project-pages-manually
- 21:42:21 [presbrey]
- the key missing part is the gh-pages branch should be an "orphan" branch
- 21:43:05 [deiu]
- you're right
- 21:43:29 [deiu]
- hmm
- 21:43:36 [deiu]
- but that's how I did it too
- 21:43:49 [presbrey]
- git checkout --orphan gh-pages ?
- 21:43:59 [deiu]
- ah
- 21:44:00 [deiu]
- no
- 21:44:07 [deiu]
- didn't add --orphan
- 21:44:09 [deiu]
- I can do it now
- 21:44:28 [presbrey]
- yeah just check that link I sent above from help.github.com, and look really carefully at the commands
- 21:44:35 [presbrey]
- you can force push the branch to fix it up
- 21:45:00 [presbrey]
- otherwise git is going to keep bothering us that the branch is X commits behind and Y commits ahead master
- 21:45:45 [deiu]
- I'll just remove the gh-pages and create it the right way
- 21:45:46 [presbrey]
- when the gh-pages branch should not track master at all
- 21:45:56 [presbrey]
- yep thanks
- 21:46:46 [presbrey]
- that will prevent someone later from accidentally merging master with gh-pages
- 21:46:56 [presbrey]
- or having conflicts, or any weirdness
- 21:47:01 [presbrey]
- hopefully :)
- 21:50:09 [melvster]
- what does cimba stand for?
- 21:50:46 [melvster]
- Cambridge Institute Massachusetts Blog Alternative?
- 21:51:35 [melvster]
- Oh no I got it
- 21:52:00 [melvster]
- CIMBA Is MIT's Blog Alternative -- Recursive definition :)
- 21:52:12 [deiu]
- hmm
- 21:52:24 [deiu]
- presbrey: still showing behind/ahead
- 21:53:22 [presbrey]
- your commit looks correct now
- 21:53:26 [presbrey]
- https://github.com/linkeddata/webizen/commit/3079b3e2 says "0 parents"
- 21:53:35 [presbrey]
- so lets move forward from here
- 21:54:01 [deiu]
- ok
- 21:54:09 [presbrey]
- you may have something cached
- 21:54:21 [presbrey]
- try cloning new copy to /tmp
- 21:54:33 [presbrey]
- just did and do not see any behind/after
- 21:55:50 [deiu]
- I'm only seeing one branch: master
- 21:55:55 [deiu]
- after cloning
- 21:56:09 [presbrey]
- git checkout gh-pages
- 21:56:22 [presbrey]
- then: git status, or git branch -av
- 21:56:54 [deiu]
- Switched to a new branch 'gh-pages'
- 21:57:21 [presbrey]
- yes, do you still see behind/ahead?
- 21:57:32 [deiu]
- nope
- 21:57:34 [deiu]
- it's ok now
- 21:57:39 [deiu]
- weird
- 22:00:23 [deiu]
- going back to go, I get this when running `go run webizend-server/main.go` -> cannot find package "github.com/linkeddata/webizen"
- 22:02:24 [presbrey]
- in the webizen folder run
- 22:02:31 [presbrey]
- go get -u -t ./...
- 22:02:50 [presbrey]
- then retry go run
- 22:03:50 [deiu]
- unrecognized import path "_/home/deiu/dev/webizen"
- 22:04:08 [presbrey]
- do you have GOPATH set?
- 22:04:46 [deiu]
- yeah
- 22:04:55 [presbrey]
- then:
- 22:05:03 [presbrey]
- go get github.com/linkeddata/webizen
- 22:05:03 [deiu]
- go version go1.2.1 linux/amd64
- 22:05:08 [presbrey]
- cd $GOPATH/src/github.com/linkeddata/webizen
- 22:05:16 [presbrey]
- go run webizen-server/main.go -help
- 22:05:52 [presbrey]
- those 3 commands will work on any go version
- 22:06:04 [deiu]
- oh wait, it didn't set the GOPATH, only the path to the /bin dir
- 22:06:23 [presbrey]
- I just use:
- 22:06:25 [presbrey]
- mkdir ~/go
- 22:06:30 [presbrey]
- export GOPATH=/home/joe/go
- 22:07:46 [presbrey]
- got it?
- 22:08:37 [deiu]
- go/src/github.com/presbrey/magicmime/magicmime.go:20:20: fatal error: magic.h: No such file or directory
- 22:08:48 [deiu]
- it didn't compile
- 22:09:21 [presbrey]
- oh right webizen imports gold
- 22:09:30 [presbrey]
- so you need a couple extra: https://github.com/linkeddata/gold#readme
- 22:09:45 [presbrey]
- try the Ubuntu apt-get line from gold
- 22:10:37 [deiu]
- ok
- 22:10:58 [presbrey]
- worked?
- 22:11:03 [deiu]
- yeah
- 22:11:47 [deiu]
- I just need to set up a database
- 22:12:12 [presbrey]
- remember if you run the tests it will setup the tables for you
- 22:12:22 [deiu]
- locally, I hope
- 22:12:34 [presbrey]
- yes I did not commit the production DSN
- 22:13:15 [presbrey]
- travis will rerun the tests on any new branches you create
- 22:13:33 [presbrey]
- so feel free to branch or commit to master and I will check later
- 22:13:43 [deiu]
- ok
- 22:14:03 [presbrey]
- got to get Going :) ttys
- 22:14:12 [deiu]
- good luck!
- 22:14:22 [presbrey]
- thx
- 22:20:47 [deiu]
- DIGlogger, pointer
- 22:20:47 [deiu]
- See http://dig.csail.mit.edu/irc/dig/2014-03-19#T22-20-47
- 22:21:35 [deiu]
- shit, Kingsley tweeted about webizen
- 22:21:41 [deiu]
- too damn early
- 22:29:21 [melvster]
- oops sorry
- 22:29:25 [melvster]
- i mentioned it to thim
- 22:29:32 [deiu]
- oh well
- 22:29:48 [deiu]
- I hope he won't complain when the database gets wipes
- 22:29:50 [deiu]
- wiped*
- 22:30:03 [melvster]
- it'll be fine :)
- 22:32:05 [deiu]
- I'm out too
- 22:32:06 [deiu]
- o/
- 22:32:17 [melvster]
- have fun ... great work!
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